The Wingmakers and their Warning for a Threat from Synthetic Beings

November 2, 2025November 5, 2025 / Joost / 5 Comments

*^{A piece of Wingmakers art from Chamber 8 (14)}*

Back in March 2022 I wrote a post on the intriguing material related to the Wingmakers (1). You may remember that account that was based on a couple of interviews that were done by someone called Dr. Anderson and a journalist called Anne (2). Dr. Anderson told Anne that he was part of a secret government agency called ‘ACIO’ (Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization) that studied the Wingmakers material, including some disc with certain specific information. These Wingmakers were supposed to have come from some 750 years in the future (1).

For more of an introduction I recommend reading the article from 2022 first (1). This current article focuses on a passage of the interview related to a certain species that the Wingmakers would have warned us for. The reason for picking this particular passage can be found in some discussion that took place between Dr. Salla, Dan Winter and me, Joost, the author of this website. This discussion provides a good opportunity to once again look into the Wingmakers material, and the interesting intricacies related to it.

DAN WINTER AND DR. SALLA ON THE WINGMAKERS
An important aspect for anyone seriously studying the Wingmakers material is that there are two versions of the interviews: the original one and a manipulated one (3). In the summer of 2025 Dr. Salla posted an interview (6) he did with Dan Winter (7-13). Let’s first listen to a relevant excerpt from that interview:

Michael Salla and Dan Winter on the Wingmakers (6)

In the above excerpt we can hear Dr. Salla talk about the ‘Ethortans’ who are a species that are part of the swaruu-perspective (15). Dan Winter expresses his love for the Wingmakers material and he makes an interesting link between Old Hungarian and Draco. Furthermore he talks about ‘Blank Slate Technology’ that is an important element within the interviews. As Winter explains this technology would allow people to be able to wipe the memories of people within the secret space programs (16). According to the information from Jason Rice, the ‘Antarctic Germans’ would have held this technology way before the Deep State finally got their hand on it in 1979 by stealing it from the Germans (17).

ON THE ANIMUS
In the description of the interview Dr. Salla writes: “Winter believes that the leadership of the Galactic Federation of Worlds has been compromised by malevolent interstellar AI he refers to as “Etorthans” who are shapeshifters and appear to be the same Animus described in the Wingmakers material. Winter rightly points to the infiltration problems with AI experienced by secret space programs and extraterrestrials more generally.“

In a X-post from July 13, 2025 (18) we can hear Dr. Salla say the following as an introduction to a video of the so-called ‘WHY-Files’ (5, 19):

“Finally, the solution to a possible future AI invasion (the Animus) would have involved some variations of changing time and upgrading human consciousness so the Animus would not be able to assimilate us. This is very relevant today given the rise of AI and its connection to off-world manifestations.”

NO ANIMUS IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT
When I heard both Dr. Michael Salla and Dan Winter talk about the ‘Animus‘, I decided to check the original version of the Wingmakers material to see if they mentioned the Animus at all. Instead of reading it all I asked Grok to do it for me and to check if the word ‘Animus’ appeared, and the answer was negative. It did, however, appear in the manipulated variant (20).

JEFF BURKS ON THE STRANGE APPEARANCE OF THE WORD ANIMUS IN THE MANIPULATED VERSION
Jeff Burks (21) is the creator of the original wingmakers website and a website called ‘Wanttoknow.info‘ (22). He also noticed the absence of the word ‘Animus’ in the original text.

He writes: “The original interviews talk about an alien race (called the animus in the changed interviews) which is from a galaxy 2.6 million light years away. In the changed interviews, the distance is changed to 37 million light years. In the original interviews, the Corteum is described as coming from a planet 15,000 light years away. In the changed version, this number is changed to 15 million. Why would someone go to the trouble of changing these distances if they were only “additions” to the story? Could it be that someone doesn’t want us to look on star charts and figure out which solar systems and galaxies are involved? (23)

FALSE USE OF ‘ANIMUS’ BY DR. SALLA AND DAN WINTER?
All the above information on the Animus was enough for me to conclude that both Dr. Salla and Dan Winter were wrong when they talked about some evil race called the Animus that would have been mentioned in the Wingmakers. I had an extensive discussion about this with Winter (13) and I told him that he was basing his theories on the false and distorted version of the Wingmakers material, which was placing the Wingmakers material in a bad light. I said this as well to Dr. Salla in his chat group (24).

NOVEMBER 2025 DEVELOPMENT AND A SYNTHETIC RACE
In November 2025, Dr. Salla contacted me to respond to my criticism regarding the use of Animus by him. I was surprised to hear that although the word Animus was not used in the original version, certain synthetic species were mentioned; read along (from the original wingmakers website):

“About all I can tell you is that we know — from both the prophecies and our remote viewing technology — a significant amount of information about this race.

“For example, we know that it hails from a galaxy that our Hubble telescope has examined as thoroughly as possible and we’ve charted it as extensively as possible. We know that it is 2.6 million light years away and that the species is a synthetic race — a mixture of genetic creation and technology. It possesses a hive mentality, but individual initiative is still appreciated as long as it is aligned with the explicit objectives of its leaders. “Because it is a synthetic race, it can be produced in a controlled environment and its population can be increased or decreased depending on the whims of its leaders. It is . . . “

… “The aliens that are coming desire to own this planet and add it to its colonization plans. As I’ve already mentioned, this is a synthetic race. A species that can clone itself and fabricate more and more of its population to serve the purpose of its colonization program. However, it desires more diversity, and earth will represent an opportunity for it to diversify.”(2)

SOME REFLECTIONS
When you watch the sensationalist video from WHY-Files (5) you get a description of the animus as androids who are AI-driven who are longing to have souls. In the original text there is no mention of soulless AI-driven Animus. Although I initially thought there wasn’t even any mention of a synthetic race, Dr. Salla directed me to a part that did talk about a (bio-) synthetic race as it was mentioned by Dr. Anderson in the Wingmakers interviews.

*_{Crop Circle with binary (ASCII) message (27,31)}*

Who would that species be? We need to remember that these interviews were from the end of the 21th century. As Jeff Burks suggested, perhaps we can determine who these species are, by looking for planets that are 2,6 million light years away from us? Who exactly warned them for this species? Was this information from that disc? Could they have been referring to the Nebu (26), although most of them are not synthetic? He explicitly used the word ‘hive’ to describe them. It also reminds me of that warning for the arrival of the Grays from the Emerther in that famous crop circle (27).

For now I prefer to think that these Wingmakers were indeed warning us for this Nebu Gray collective that would indeed have had plans to colonize our world and replace humanity with their hybrids. These plans would have been prevented and the Nebu would have been fully neutralized (28,29). In that case there would be no reason to worry about this warning.

SOME WORDS FOR DR. SALLA AND DAN WINTER
As to the question whether I was right to state that Dr. Salla and Dan Winter were wrong in claiming that the Wingmakers material talks about the Animus and a synthetic AI-threat, the answer is multifaceted: I falsely accused them of saying that there was no word on a dangerous (bio-)synthetic race in the Wingmakers. There apparently is such a reference. They, however, were wrong in using the term Animus for this species, because it’s not part of the original interview. The sensationalist use of Animus in the WHY-video with words like ‘soulless’ and ‘AI-threat’ allegedly based on the Wingmakers material, is also way over the top. This might have influenced my stance as well.

Let me know what your thoughts are on this intriguing issue. Join our GA Study Group or subscribe (30).

FOOTNOTES
(1) The Timecapsules of the Wingmakers
(2) Transcript of Interviews Wingmakers (original website)
(3) Here’s a quote from the original website:

Special Note: The above is a copy of the introduction page to the ACIO (Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization) on the original WingMakers website. Should you explore the current WingMakers website at wingmakers.com, be aware that it has changed in many ways from its original form. The ACIO story there has been seriously distorted to the point of being disinformation. For further information on how the website has been changed, click here. (4)
(4) https://www.wingmakers.us/wingmakersorig/acio/www.wingmakers.com/arrow/acio/acio1.shtml
(5) Project Ancient Arrow | The NSA’s Secret War Against Our Future
(6) Has the Galactic Federation of Worlds leadership been compromised by AI?
(7) The physicist Dan Winter appears a few times on this website, especially because of a number of interviews he did with Elena Danaan (8,9).
(8) On Lovingly Connecting with Someone Else
(9) On Green-skinned People
(10) Enki Shows Elena Danaan a Vajra with Plasma Beams
(11) On Jesus, Jehovah, the Hoova and Thiaoouba
(12) The Taal-Shiar and the Swaruu A.I.
(13) Thread on Dan Winter and Anton Parks in the Galactic Anthropogy Study Group (see the discussion starting from July 29, 2025)
(14) Chamber 8
(15) The Etherians – In this article you can find a link to this other species called the ‘Ethortans’ at footnote 22.
(16) Age Regression by 20 Years – 20 Years and Back – Testimonies by various SSP Recruits.
(17) The Antarctic Germans – An Overview
(18) https://t.me/michaelsallaofficial/93244
(19) Here’s a relevant (and quite sensational) excerpt on the ‘Animus’ from the WHY-files episode (5) that Dr. Salla refers to in the July 13, 2025, telegram post (18):

The WHY-files on the Wingmakers and Animus (5)

(20) Grok Answer to my question to find the word ‘Animus’ both in the original and in the manipulated variant
(21) The Wingmakers Controversy: Time Travel, ACIO & Extraterrestrial Threats
(22) Wanttoknow.info
(23) Changes to WingMakers Interviews: Comparison of Original and Changed Interviews
(24) Telegram Group of Dr. Salla
(25) Manipulated Interviews from second website
(26) The Nebu and the Alliance of the Six
(27) Crop Circles and Binary Messages
(28) And the Lights went Out for the Nebu
(29) The Discovery of Many Millions of Hybrids in a Deserted Galactic Hideout
(30) Telegram groups: Galactic Anthropology (general updates), Galactic Anthropology Study Group (most active group with hundreds of separate discussion topics) Alex Collier Study Group and the Galactic Anthropology Library. Elena Danaan also has her own telegram channel and even her own open telegram chat group. Dr. Salla also runs a Telegram Group. Do you want to help with studying the Deep State? Join the Gondolath Globalist Narratives Study Group or visit the website: Gondolath Project. You can also follow the alternative side of current events at the Laura Aboli Archive. We recently started a Diddy and Epstein group as well. Galactic Anthropology tries to spread both the disclosure information and the Deep State Explorations at Facebook, X (Twitter), on VK, Youtube and on TikTok. Hope to see you soon in one of the groups! Like, share and subscribe.
(31) https://www.cropcircleconnector.com/articles/09052016/09052016.html

The Timecapsules of the Wingmakers

March 29, 2022August 3, 2025 / Joost / 2 Comments

In the interview with Dr. Michael Salla, Peter Moon talked about Dr. David Anderson as the expert on time-experiments (1). His name rang a bell and it seems that this Dr. Anderson is the same person that plays a crucial part in the Wingmakers material. In these times of Arks and Halls of Records (2) surfacing it could prove to be worthwhile to pay attention to these time capsules that would have been left behind by people from a future time, probably some 750 years in the future. This article gives a short introduction to the story of the Wingmakers (4).

Dr. Anderson
Because of the interview (1) I started to check whether this Dr. Anderson, Peter Moon talked about, was the same Dr. Anderson that I got to know when I ‘studied’ the Wingmakers site a few years ago (4). The confirmation came in the form of a page on a website of the Anderson Institute which talks about the Wingmakers (5). This site is dedicated to the study of time (“Explore the possibilities of time control and time travel”).

The Interviews between Dr. Anderson and Anne
In 1997 Dr. Anderson contacted a journalist working with the pseudonym Anne. He wanted to tell the world about the discovery of the Wingmakers material and how it related to a secret group called ‘The Labyrinth’-group which would have been that classified that even the president of the United States was unaware of it (which by the way seems to hold for many other secret groups). They would have had interaction with alien groups. A curious thing must be said about these interviews. You can distinguish between the original interviews between ‘Anne’ and Dr. Anderson that were posted on the internet in 1998 (6), and an edited version between Sarah and Dr. Neruda that was put online in 2001 on another website (7) with interesting (cover-up) differences (8). I only use the original interview (9).

The Discovery of the Wingmakers Caves
In 1972 a group of hikers in New Mexico, discovered unusual artefacts and pictograms in an obscure canyon. They reported it and the NSA rapidly took over. Most of the findings were dated as coming from the 8th century A.D., except for a kind of ‘compass’.

In 1994 there were a series of rockslides which opened up a time capsule consisting of 23 chambers, which contained paintings, music, poetry and what was deemed as ‘dormant alien technology’. The contents were kept hidden from the public (5,6).

The Deciphering of the Optical Disc and ‘Fifteen’
In the interviews Dr. Anderson talks about an optical disc that was found at the site, which seemed to be undecipherable. When he finally made a link with the Sumerian language combined with a technique of ‘tuning’ into the ‘vibration’ of the Wingmakers he and his team were able to translate the contents.

Dr. Anderson worked under the supervision of a person with the highest clearance, namely 15, which was also the name that he used to refer to this man. This man was probably A.R. Bordon, who I have mentioned before on this site (11). You can also read an interesting book of his for free (12).

Through the deciphering of the disc more was discovered about these Wingmakers:

“The creators of the time capsule referred to themselves as WingMakers. They represented a future version of humanity who lived some 750 years in our future. They claimed to be culture bearers, or ones that bring the seeds of art, science, and philosophy to humanity. They had left behind a total of seven time capsules in various parts of the world to be discovered according to a well-orchestrated plan. Their apparent goal was to help the next several generations of humans develop a global culture; a unified system of philosophy, science, and art.” (5)

Other Capsules would have been found
Much more can be said about things related to the Wingmakers, the Labyrinth-group and their experiments with time and the curiosity of this alien Corteum group. I advise you to take a look a the original material to find out more yourself. To round off this article I would like to add a list of other wingmaker capsule locations that would have been found since the first one in 1972. This list comes from the ‘edited’ wingmakers site. I wonder if anyone can verify the existence of these capsules. I would sure love to hear such corroboration.

_{(snapshot taken from 7 – Hakomi, Zyanya, Aadya, Jumala, Mawu and Pillan)}

P.S. For an interesting link between a crystal found in one of the chambers and the crystals that were shown during an interview Elena Danaan had with Dan Willis in March 2022, take a look at (13).

Ashayana Deane is very critical about the Corteum. Read more interesting information at End Note 41 and 45. There are interesting links made by A.R. Bordon and the Anunnaki, see Endnotes 48-53.

On June 4, 2022 Dr. Michael Salla posted an interview he had with Fred Burks, the maker of the Wingmakers.us-site (14)

THE ANIMUS ACCOUNT – A CONTRIVED DISTORTION?
In 2025 there were a few sources that mentioned a (rather evil) species called ‘The Animus'(17,18). I did a check and found that there was no mention whatsoever on the Animus in the original version; this was added to the original account as we can read it on the second website where ‘Dr. Anderson’ is replaced by some ‘Dr. Neruda’.

“Neruda Interviews (Interview 3): The term “Animus” refers to a synthetic alien race from a distant galaxy (described as 37 million light years away in the changed interviews). They are depicted as a machine-like species lacking souls, aiming to invade Earth to acquire human DNA and become soul carriers. Dr. Neruda discusses their intent to control Earth’s genetics and the role of Blank Slate Technology (BST) in countering this threat. For example:

“The Animus is the ancient enemy of the Central Race. The Animus desire to own this planet in order to own its genetics… They are a synthetic race… desiring to become a soul carrier.”” (15)

SOME REFLECTIONS
When it comes to the fascinating story of the Wingmakers it is important to know that there are two versions: the original one and a altered version. I prefer to stick to the original one and discard the second website. Not everyone is aware of this important element; Dr. Salla, Dan Winter (18) and the presenter of WHY Files (17) base theories on elements from the second account, which in my opinion doesn’t do justice to the original Wingmakers material.

LINKS
(1) Ancient Hall of Records found in Romania kept secret since 2003 – From about 8 minutes onwards Peter Moon talks about his contacts with Dr. Anderson.
(2) From which Planets do our Animals Originate?
(3) Wingmakers – Capsules
(4) The Original Site of the Wingmakers Material
(5) The Anderson Institute
(6) Original Wingmakers Website (from 1998)
(7) (cover up) Wingmakers Website (from 2001, looks very neat and classy)
(8) Changes to Wingmakers Website
(9) One of the key differences seems to be that the original interviews talk about the Wingmakers as coming from the future with no connections between a group of aliens called the Corteum or anything relating to the seeding of mankind. The edited version introduces the idea that the Wingmakers are part of the Corteum and that the Corteum was essential in the birth of the human race. Perhaps the contact between the Corteum group and the Labyrinth-group can explain this megalomanical twist of the story in the favor of the Corteum aliens? See more about the maker of the website with the original interview in an interview with Dr. Michael Salla (14).
(10) Chamber 22
(11) The Elmanuk from Gliese 832 in the Grus Constellation and the Possible Link with A.R. Bordon’s The Link
(12) Bordon, A.R. (2007) The Link (pdf-download).
(13) End Notes / Random Thoughts | Galactic Anthropology See note 16.
(14) The Wingmakers Controversy: Time Travel, ACIO & Extraterrestrial Threats
(15) https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_6e0a7e61-6d54-481d-b1cb-a516a710d53b
(16) Telegram Post on the erroneous use of the Animus in a Wingmaker context
(17) Project Ancient Arrow | The NSA’s Secret War Against Our Future

Excerpt from WHY Files based on Second, adapted (probably false) Wingmakers site (17)

(18) Has the Galactic Federation of Worlds leadership been compromised by AI?

Dan Winter also uses the information from the (false) second wingmakers website (18)

The Elmanuk from Gliese 832 in the Grus Constellation and the Possible Link with A.R. Bordon’s The Link

December 28, 2021March 21, 2023 / Joost / 3 Comments

During my breakfast – when there are no kids around – I prefer to read a book (often only a few pages). Since there are many books that I would like to read, I have come up with a system: I have this pile of books and with a random generator (consisting of 5 coins) a book is selected. Today a (pdf) book by A.R. Bordon popped up. A lot can be said about this man, his probable connection with the Wingmakers material (7), the Labyrinth, but that is not the focus of this article.

The book from 2007 is called ‘The Link’ (1) and it talks about meetings between non-governmental groups both from our world and off-world groups. The first annual meeting would have taken place in 1990 in Arizona (see 1, p.31). While reading about another meeting many years later I was triggered by the following excerpt which I will share with you:

“Third, if there is a founding core to the Link, it would be five of the seven extraterrestrial groups and eight contactee groups, including ourselves – roughly a total of 30-plus original members. During this year’s conference, there were fourteen extraterrestrial groups – twelve invited member groups and two observer groups – and fifty-seven human contactee/activist groups – forty-two invited members and fifteen observer members. The total attendee gathering numbered in the low 200s.

This year’s conference was co-chaired by the SAMs and a group from the Pleiades. Extraterrestrial attendees came from groups from our Milky Way galaxy (one from one of the Gliese star systems, two groups from the Reticuli star systems, a small contingent from the incoming, the hosting group from a planet in the Pleiades, another group from another planet in the same system, several extragalactic groups, a small group of Verdant observers, and two groups we have never seen before).”

THE ELMANUK FROM GLIESE 832
Since this site is called ‘Galactic Anthropology’ I was curious to find out more about those visitors from ‘one of the Gliese star systems’ as Bordon described them. This was my first encounter with the term ‘Gliese Star System’ so I immediately went for a search in Danaan’s book on Alien Races (2) and in the star map provided in that book (see pages 332-335) I was able to locate star system Gliese 832 in the constellation of Grus (looking like a crane bird, (grus grus)).

It was the only Gliese star system I was able to find in the book, and the 110 races that are mentioned are supposed to be the ones that have been in contact with our planet, somehow, somewhere.

Constellation Grus would be near the star Alnair. The people living on the planet called Ardamant which circles Gliese 832 are the Elmanuk. In a video on Mating Rites by Elena Danaan from July 20, 2021 (3) we can hear the following. You can read more about these Elmanuk on page 174 in (2).

Drawing by Elena Danaan of the Elmanuk – (2, p.175)

They come from constellation Gross in Gliese 832. Elmanuk are a very ancient race. Their planet is named Ardemont. They are known as the most peaceful races. They are at the origin and creation of the Council of Five, which was nine at the start before the Galactic Federation of Worlds truly took existence. So they had the purpose to look after the developed worlds and protect them against the Orion alliance and the Ciakahrr empire. They are very tall and very thin. You would think they have only skin on bones, but you would be surprised by their physical fitness and strength. Their eyes are very large and as most of grey races they wear dark protective lenses. They are a species of grays, but they do not have the reptiloid genetics. We say gray to everybody who looks like this. They are very nice. They are a race in extinction. There are not very many left. (3, and 2, p.174)

We have come across other members of the Council of Five before, namely the Ginvo (4). Also take a look at the Emerther from Tau Ceti (8). In March 2023 I wrote a page on the current day members of the Council of Five (9).

There are a lot of Gliese – star systems
In Bordon’s book (1) it is said that a group from one of the Gliese star systems participated in one of the Link-meetings. It turns out that there are indeed many Gliese star systems and I guess it will not be easy to verify if the Elmanuk participated or some other race from one of the other Gliese star systems.

To give you a glimpse of the amount of Gliese’s, an image from Astronomy.com:

Astronomy.com (5) – We have spoken about Procyon (4) and Epsilon Eridani (6) on other pages.

LINKS
(1) Bordon, A.R. (2007) The Link (pdf-download). More from this book can be found at Endnotes 50-53
(2) Danaan, E. (2020) A Gift from the Stars: Extraterrestrial contacts and guide of Alien Races. Amazon Press.
(3) Mating Rites from Outer Space – Youtube video – July 20, 2021 (click here if you want to go to the relevant part directly)
(4) The Ginvo from Procyon
(5) https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2021/09/ask-astro-why-are-so-many-stars-named-gliese
(6) https://galacticanthropology.wordpress.com/2021/11/10/epsilon-eridani-and-val-nek/
(7) The Timecapsules of the Wingmakers
(8) Crop Circles and Binary Messages
(9) The Council of Five