In an interview with Sarge and Karen from July 18, 2023, Alex talked about a deadline of a sort that would be situated in the spring of 2030. He wasn’t really told any specifics, but it would obviously be something that could not be missed, and apparently this would have freaked out the global cabal, and it stimulated the other party to try and ‘wake up’ as many people as possible. Listen to his words himself (about one minute):
Alex on some Galactic Event that would happen in 2030 (1)
He talks about some ‘galactic event’. I prefer not to speculate on what this ‘event’ could be, and if it will happen at all. These kind of ‘predictions’ tend to create all kinds of often unwanted dynamics. I just wanted to share Alex’ perspective on this. He later on compares it to a ‘divine reset‘.
It did remind me of that plasma bubble that would still encapsulate our complete solar system. This would have been placed by the Galactic Federation of Worlds to protect us from the fifth density frequencies. Just to buy us some more time (2).
Looking through looking glasses (4)
Join the Alex Collier Study Group (3) if you want to reflect a bit more on all this.
Within this field of disclosure there are many concepts and ideas that are way off for the majority of people living on our world today. Everything related to intelligent extraterrestrial life is often still brushed off as ‘food for wacko’s‘. During the last two years I have opened up to what I consider the reality of extraterrestrial life and I was willing to accept many elements as possibly real which might seem outlandish for many. But even within this vast new territory I came across certain ideas that I preferred to ignore, at least for the time being, for it was even too odd for me.
Deviant Art by Vanmak3D (5)
One of those concepts was the one introduced by the Andromedans from Alex Collier about human beings who would have had green skin before a terrible nuclear event took place more than four hundred thousands of years ago. This nuclear war would have changed the colors of our skins (1).
But last month, Larry Fulmer, a contactee, was told by one of his contacts from the Inner Earth, that indeed, the original human beings on Earth would have had green skin. This immediately makes that claim turn more valuable, for, why would two contactees share this claim? It was enough reason for me to gather these two sources into an article on this.
ALEX COLLIER ON THE ORIGINAL GREEN SKIN OF HUMANS In his book ‘Defending Sacred Ground’ (3)from 1996, Alex Collier speaks about green skinned people in the context of a great war. Read along with what he said:
“In your linear time of 3rd density measurement, of 439,231 rotations ago [years], war on a grave scale occurred in your Solar System. This aggression occurred against those on your worlds that included not only you Terrans, but also those called Nibiru. This invasion of your systems by Orion was led by a queen named Suttee. This (war) was destructive on many levels [frequencies) of physicality.
“We will focus tonight on your Terran physical form…. The last grave conflict was very harmful to your physical form. Many weapons of destruction, many of atom-splitting (nuclear weapons) have been used. This is the reason for most of your Terran skin tones. We shall explain…. Nibiru won, but only a short battle, before they and other outposts were forced to leave (the solar system) because of genetic damage. Your original races were green-skinned.
Symbol for Radioactivity (6)
This we know, because of large copper traces in your Terran 22 blood type (refers to the composite of human genetics which comprise genetic codes from 22 humanoid species). Also, the pituitary and thyroid (glands) were fully functional (at that time). The genetic damage to these organs was caused by (the) radioactivity in (the) air and all things of contact (on all things in the environment).
The air was like this for a long time. ” It (the radioactivity in the environment) caused the genetic memory of these organs (genetic memory of full-use capacity) being closed and almost atrophied (caused the function of the organs to shut down and the organs to atrophy).
Your world experienced drastic changes in climate and massive magnetic fluctuations. Your different skin tone races are a result of an edema damage to your blood (changes in blood chemistry). It was (then) necessary for survival to create self-sufficient and contained environmental habitats, (both) above and below the surface. (3, p.62)”
There’s not much that I can add to this. One might expect that the shrinking of the pituitary and thyroid glands might have had a huge impact on our level of awareness too, even though the pineal gland was not specifically mentioned, here. What is interesting that Alex also mentions the creation of habitats below the surface.
LARRY FULMER AND THE GREEN SKINNED HUMANS FROM INNER EARTH In June 2023 I got into contact with Larry Fulmer (7) and a few weeks after that he started to get into more active (most of the time not physical) communication with people from the Inner Earth. You can read all about it at his YouTube site and his telegram channel (7). Two of his contacts live or lived in the Inner Earth. They both had green skin when they were alive. Let’s listen to a fragment in which he describes Hermes, a 6D human from the Inner Earth (20s):
Larry Fulmer introduces Hermes, a green-skinned human from Inner Earth (9)
In a video interview from July 20, 2023 (10), we can hear Larry say that he lived a life as an original (green-skinned) human, which would allow him to contact them at this moment. Many of these original people would have gone underground some 2 million years ago after the destruction of Maldek. There was also radioactivity involved that would have changed the color of the skins of the people on the surface. I will get into that aspect in a future article. I would like to stick to the color ‘green here.
DAN WINTER ON GREEN AND RED BLOOD While thinking about green skin I was reminded by something that Dan Winter said in one of his interviews with Elena Danaan (11). It probably has nothing to do with the green people from Inner Earth, and Dan Winter can get carried away in his enthusiasm too. I will leave you with his theory about green and red blood. Was Osiris indeed depicted as green in Egypt? (49s)
Dan Winter talks about green and red blood (11)
It would say it is interesting to hear Dan say that Enki expected green-skinned people, but was surprised to find people with red blood. I also remember having heard that the Eben that would have landed here in the 1950s would have had blood based on chlorophyl too (12). If you have got more info on this, don’t hesitate to comment below this article, contact me, or join the Galactic Anthropology Library (2).
THE MURDRAT FROM VATUUKAT In Elena Danaan’s 2024 Encyclopedia Galactica (14) she also mentions a green humanoid species that used to live in the underground. Not on our planet, but on a planet called Vatuukat somewhere in the Auriga constellation (see 14, p.173). In that book she writes: “The Murdrat are indigenous human species of unknown origin, who appeared one day from the inner realms of the planet. The Murdrat are green skin, geen hair and golden eyes humanoids. They are much involved in the life and economy of the planet, working closely with the Vyn and the Taal. Murdrat have powerful psychic powers, use telepathy to manipulate other beings’ mind and some of them can even alter space-time reality” (14, p.173)
The Murdrat were introduced in Star Nation News, episode 60 in January 2025 (15)
THE MOREKAT FROM THE CANCER CONSTELLATION A humanoid green-skinned species can also be found on the planet Luyu in the Leyka Ta System in the Cancer constellation. These people are called Morekat (14, p.264-265). Their green skin would be the result of the “…manganese and copper rich waters, atmosphere and base food source” (14, p.265). Elena presented the Morekat in a Star Nation News episode from April 2025 (16) . Here’s the relevant excerpt:
On the Morekat (16)
ON SKIN COLOR AND HEMOGLOBIN On July 18, 2025, Elena Danaan posted something related to the color of the skin and the composition of the blood (17).
“Green skin color is quite a common occurrence in the universe through many cultures, and is due to sulfhemoglobin, a modified form of hemoglobin that contains sulfur. Contrarily to blue blood, also frequent, that is composed of a copper-based protein called hemocyanin. In both cases, skin shades can vary in intensity from pale to intense, regarding genetic markers.” (17)
(4) Andromeda Council – Alex Collier 1996 – ( Part 1-2) – Deutsch subtitles (HQ). (starts from about 31′) (5) Deviant Art (6) Dreamstime (7) I created a topic called ‘The Larry Fulmer Files‘ in the Elena Danaan Study Group in June 2023. You can read that thread here. Since then Larry has left the group and he removed a few items from this thread. There’s also another thread in which I analyze one of his talks with Hermes (8). He has a youtube channel and he started his own (telegram) group at LarryFulmerChat. . I was part of that group a couple of days before I was booted by Larry. Despite that I still think that Larry’s material is interesting to study and compare with other sources. I take a neutral position to his work. I have learned that studying this material implies looking beyond the personalities with their funny ways. And for the record, I have got my own funny ways as well 🙂 (8) Exploring Larry Fulmer Videos – This thread is filled with lots of links to other articles on this website. By the way, you can find another excerpt from the Larry Fulmer material at (13). (9) Loqma Green skinned Original human (10) INNER WORLD CONVERSATION WITH LARRY FULMER AND DR. K PART 1 (fragment lasts a minute and a half).
Larry and Karen speak to Sarge Sovereign on green-skinned people (10)
In September 2022 Elena Danaan launched her epic book ‘The Seeders‘ (1). We have spoken a lot about all kinds of elements from this book, and there will be a lot more to discuss in the future too, for it is a book filled with all kinds of though-provoking and -expanding ideas. I take the work of Elena Danaan very seriously and that’s why I started this project called Galactic Anthropology.
One of the most intriguing elements of this book is the account of our history that Elena was given by Enki, who prefers to be called Ea these days. I have studied this account and I want to present to you the first results. Please feel free to think about it in the Elena Danaan Study Group (2) or by adding your comments below this article.
SOME PRELIMINARY HURDLES It was far from easy to get to the point that I am able to write this article. I don’t want to dwell too long on these preliminary hurdles, but suffice is to say that the mere act of asking questions can trigger all kinds of dynamics which I have spoken of before (3). Elena once described this phenomenon very clearly when she said that I ‘have been seeking for flaws in her work, that I never found‘ (4). Of course I have never tried to find flaws in her work. My intention has always been to study her work, in a scientific way. It was sad to notice that asking questions and doing research was considered as a kind of attack, leading to all kinds of attempts to cancel me and people who participated in the Study Group (2). I sure hope that all that silly behavior will end soon, so that this friction can end.
THE STRONG BOND BETWEEN ELENA DANAAN AND EA But let’s get back to Ea/Enki. Enki and Elena met each other for the first time in September 2021 (1, p.22) and they seemed to have developed a strong tie together. Elena was obviously very impressed by the energy and the love that Ea naturally spread around him. Since then Elena has spent quite some time with Ea; she visited the Nibiru ship a couple of times and even went on a journey to Saturn with him (5).
Saturn (19)
He showed her their Anunnaki Vajra weapon (6). I can’t remember having heard one word of criticism from Elena aimed at Ea. Perhaps there was no reason for it, but seen from an objective point of view, it is not logical to expect that Elena will be very critical towards Ea in any way.
They simply seem to like each other a bit too much. Anyone questioning Ea’s intentions will probably not get a warm welcome from Elena.
THE SUGARCOATING EFFECT OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPECIES One might hope that extraterrestrial species are nothing but love, truth and light, but unfortunately that does not seem to be the case. We have spoken a lot about all kinds of malevolent species that have – up until recently – caused great havoc on our planet. And it seems that even the benevolent beings are not always necessarily telling the absolute truth, either because they don’t have it either, or because they are not sure, or because they might have the tendency to ‘sugar coat’ their own role in the various accounts of our history.
I recently did an article on this (7), and in June 2023 even Alex Collier mentioned this sugar-coating effect (8). Here is a paraphrase from one of the participants in the webinar from June 16, 2023:
He also, feels, as a Terran, that the best thing would be, if a star nation totally unrelated to any Terrans on earth, came in to assess the situation regarding our past, as there is a lot of history with not only the Annunaki, but other star nations as well with regard to DNA, history etc.
Candy with Sugar Coating (20)
He feels a race that has no direct relationship to us would be unbiased in any way in determining our true history, and that we need to know the full truth. He says that although he completely trusts the A’s, that because they have a genetic lineage with us, he still believes that someone who is completely unrelated to us and therefore, objective, should come forward to determine our true history and give an unbiased account. In that way, there would be no way that different accounts could be ‘sugar coated’ or ‘colored’ by those who have had interaction with us in the past. Those were his thoughts.” (9,10)
THE ANUNNAKI LINK Ea is part of the Anunnaki family, whether he likes it or not, although he sure seems to be the representative of the good branch of the family. I recently analyzed the work of Alex Collier on the Anunnaki – or the Nibiruans as the Andromedans prefer to call the group of Anunnaki that we got to know. The Enki-branch was given a place in the Andromeda Council, because a majority of the Council trusted Enki, even though the Andromedans and a Pleiadean group did not (11).
SUMMARY OF THE STATE OF AFFAIRS So, we are confronted with a situation in which an Anunnaki (or Anach) who would have played an important role in our history has given an Emissary of the Galactic Federation of Worlds (12) an account of our human history. The Emissary is too close to ask him any critical questions and any serious EA-related questions asked by people from Earth are simply ignored by Elena and her Crew.
I don’t know if the ‘sugar coating’-theory also applies to Enki, but a fact is that Enki is portrayed as a hero, the Father of Humanity who came to heal humanity from all the hardships that his cruel family members (like his half-brother, his own son, his cousin) have committed. He would also have attained the full backing of all the Anunnaki in our Galaxy.
SOME ODDITIES IN ENKI’S ACCOUNT OF OUR HISTORY AS WRITTEN IN THE SEEDERS The above can be considered as relatively troubling, but can we find things in Enki’s account of our history that also can be regarded as awkward? Would there be certain elements that seem odd? I think I have found a couple of these oddities which I will shortly share with you. Remember this is in no way an attack on Elena Danaan, for it wasn’t even Elena who provided the information (13).
THE ROLE OF THE KUR The Kur are mentioned in Elena Danaan’s first disclosure book (14,15). In that book she wrote about a species that would have been present during the times when the Anunnaki altered our genome:
Bird of Flame (21)
“Their peculair color is due to a golden liquid they bathe into, which expands their life-span” – “They were there as well, alongside the Anunnaki, at the time these latest were reigning upon Terra; the Kuri were directly involved with them in altering the Terran human genome” (14, p.236)
These gold-loving Kuri were apparently very close to the Anunnaki, and since they were even involved in altering of the Terran human genome, it would seem likely that Enki has heard of this species. But they were not mentioned at all in his account of our history.
THE WAR BETWEEN THE LAAN AND THE ANUNNAKI So I am not suggesting that Enki was lying about anything, but omitting certain important historical events that don’t portray the Anunnaki too well is a doubtful practice. Another example is the war between the Laan ancestors of Lyra with the Anunnaki which would have taken place long before the ‘alteration’ of our human genomes (16).
Myrah, Elena’s contact from the planet Nyan in the Sirius B system (24), spoke about this war:
“The third [Moon] has been destroyed in the wars between the Anunnaki and the Laan from the Lyra System. This one was destroyed and caused great damages on your planet. Great damages and floods and destruction of entire civilizations. It was absolutely terrible.” (16)
Elena Danaan talks about these wars as well in her ‘A Gift from the Stars’ (14,16). They are called ‘The Terran Wars’ there. Why weren’t these wars mentioned? Why do we get the impression that there were no evolved people on our planet at all when the Anunnaki arrived?
THE STRANGE ARRIVAL OF LYRAN REFUGEES IN OUR SOLARS SYSTEM ONLY 88,000 YEARS AGO Another odd element that struck me was the following. In the Seeders we get this very odd suggestion that the Lyran System was only ransacked by the Ciakahrr 88,000 years ago! And that some 4,000 years later some refugees of these Lyran wars arrived in our solar system (17)
“88,000 BC – The Ciakahrr Empire ransacked the Man System in the Lyra zone. The survivors, on board Arks carrying the archives and DNA bank of their worlds, fled in a widespread diaspora, in search for new worlds to establish colonies” (2, p. 500)
This is extremely weird. It would imply that the Orion Wars took place before the ancient Lyran Wars! Could this be another attempt to hide the presence of humanoids on our planet before the arrival of the Anunnaki, or why else would Enki have said a thing like this?
WHAT HAPPENED 439,000 YEARS AGO The last odd thing that I want to mention is that something seemed to have happened 439,000 years ago. Perhaps the two events were unrelated, but this period was mentioned in Enki’s account of our history, but also in the account of the Andromedans through Alex Collier. That what happened, however, was completely different!
Destructive war with ‘atom-splitting’ weapons (22)
Enki spoke about the first arrival of the Seeders after they had been away for some 19 million years (18). Alex, however talks about ‘an invasion by the Orion Group led by a Queen called Suti, which resulted in a destructive war with ‘atom-splitting’ weapons that caused great changes in our biology…
Nibiru was able to win one battle but was then forced to leave our solar system because of genetic damage. The original races were green skinned. We know this because of large copper traces in your Terran 22 blood types.‘ (18,23)
Why didn’t Enki mention this great cataclysmic event, and how could there have been Anunnaki already on our planet when Enki said that they only arrived 67,000 years later for the first time?
SOME FINAL THOUGHTS So, what to make out of all this? Three of the four oddities are about important omissions related to this theme that there were already advanced humanoids on our planet when the Anunnaki arrived. The other element is about not mentioning the role of the golden bird-like humanoids, the Kur. Why weren’t they mentioned? Could it be that Enki could not have played the role of ‘Father’ if there would have been all kinds of other humanoids already present on Earth before the arrival of Enki and his gruesome family? Of course I don’t know the answers.
Perhaps Elena can ask Enki about these matters? But, like Alex said, I would prefer to hear an account of our history out of the mouth from species that are not so deeply part of our history. Or at least accounts of others than Enki. He could indeed be the hero, but he is in a bad position to give us a neutral account of our past. What do the Ohorai have to say about our history? What is the account of the Errans? How do the Alteans describe our history? What is the pespective of the Laan?
On May 23, 2023 an old video surfaced in which Alex Collier was asked if he could say anything about the origin of certain languages in our world (1), and he gave a rather fascinating answer in which he told us about the galactic cradle of languages like English, French and Hebrew. He also had a remarkable answer as to the galactic origin of the Asian languages. This answer seems to coincide with other information which Annax gave Elena Danaan in her early files. This article presents these sources and hopes to shed some light on this possible link between the Gray race of the Zeta Reticuli and the Asian people.
THE LANGUAGE LINK ACCORDING TO THE ANDROMEDANS FROM ALEX COLLIER In the excerpt below we can hear Alex say that the origins of the Asian languages can be found in the Zeta Reticuli systems. “What’s interesting about that is that the Zeta’s themselves don’t actually speak a language, but they conquered and absorbed slaves, captives, that did use language. The language that they learned to speak is what we now would refer to as the Asian languages.”
Listen to how he talks about the creation of a kind of ‘middle management layer’ that would ‘translate’ the telepathic language of the Zeta’s into spoken language (2 minutes)
Alex Collier talks about the extraterrestrial origin of the Asian languages (1)
ANNAX ON THE ORIGIN OF THE ASIAN PEOPLE I happened upon an older video from 2020 in which Elena Danaan was having an interview with the hypnotherapist Elisa Herrera, who helped her in activating her galactic memories. In that interview Annax, an Egaroth (2) was given the opportunity to answer questions. One of the questions was related to the origins of certain races on our planet. Whereas the Andromedans from Alex Collier only talk about a language link with the Zeta’s, Annax seems to imply a genetic link. Listen along (starts after 5 seconds and lasts 4 minutes)
Annax talks about a genetic link between the Zeta’s and the Asian people
In the above excerpt Annax talks about two ‘original races’ that would have been present on Earth, the black people and the Nordic people in Northern Europe. He talks about the ‘Ethorians’ who are completely unknown to me and are not mentioned in Elena’s books as far as I know. The Grays from Reticuli have taken the Nordics. These Grays love to experiment. They would have experimented so much on their own race, that they have turned themselves into a dying race (3).
Annax says that the Asian people were the result of a genetic mix between the Nordic race and the Grays. Annax adds that the Gray species involved back then looked different than they look today.
THE POSSIBLE LINK BETWEEN THE ASIANS AND THE T-ASHKERU In an earlier article we also talked about the Japanese people, but then in connection with the T-Ashkeru from Sirius B. Remember when Jean-Charles Moyen and Elena Danaan talked about Jean-Charles’ visits to Japan? Elena suggested that perhaps the T-Ashkeru mingled with people on Earth to form the Japanese (or other Asian people too?) (4). The T-Ashkeru themselves would be a mix between a local Gray species and a Taal colony from Lyra (3).
THE ASIANS WITHIN THE THIAOOUBA PERSPECTIVE And if all this wasn’t enough it wouldn’t be complete if I didn’t mention the account of the Thiaoouba that Michel Desmarquet met (5). One of the things that he was told was that the Asians would have arrived on Earth from a planet called Bakaratini in the Centaur system some 1,3 million years ago (5).
SOME FINAL THOUGHTS This is all quite thought-provoking, if you ask me. How does all this match with Enki’s account of our history as we were told in Elena’s third disclosure book (6)? When would this have happened? If this were true then there must be some genetic evidence for it to be found in the DNA of the Asian people. And what about the differences between the various Asian people? And how could Annax say that there were two original human species on our planet? What would he have meant with that?
A lot of questions. Perhaps you would like to reflect upon them with the Elena Danaan Study Group (7)? The more questions the better!
Back in August 2022 I wrote a post in which I announced to invest more in studying the work of Alex Collier (1). I started off enthusiastically with a few articles (2-7), but I can’t say that Alex has started to play a vital role on this website, although it feels as if he had been present, somewhere in the background 🙂 This post is about information from Alex’ Andromedans about the Enki faction and their connection with the Andromedan Council.
Alex Collier (31)
THE ANUNNAKI AND ALEX COLLIER It has been an interesting ride, the last couple of months. For me, the main development was my ability to break free from a kind of Elena Danaan-spell, which allowed me to roam more freely and to think more clearly. Since Elena kept on repeating how Megan Rose was a divisive factor, I felt free to check out Megan’s work and see for myself what all this alleged misinformation was all about. This of course didn’t stop me from fully respecting Elena Danaan’s information.
One of the differences between Elena Danaan and that from Val Nec (8) that I encountered was their position on the Anunnaki. This triggered interesting discussions within the Elena Danaan Study Center (9) and it resulted in a few articles on this issue (10-11). I even bumped into a species, the Kur, that apparently were present during the time when the Anunnaki did their genetic trick on us (12). All this pulled me towards the work of Alex Collier: what did the Andromedans say about them, really?
SPEECHES AND INTERVIEWS FROM 1994-2011 In order to find out what the A’s said about the Anunnaki I read everything on the Anunnaki from every paragraph of the interviews, lectures and speeches that Alex Collier has given from the period 1994 until 2011, together with a few letters and articles (13). You can find them all in one big pdf-file (14), but you can also read them at Alex Collier’s website (15). While reading through his material I was also triggered to write some updates on existing pages (16,17).
THE NIBIRUANS Within all those articles I could find the term ‘Anunnaki’ only a couple of times. The Andromedans seem to prefer to use the term ‘Nibiruans’ to designate this particular Anunnaki family we have come to know all too well. Let’s first hear what the Andromedans have to say about the origin of the Nibiruans:
Those from Nubiru (Nibiru) were a tribe that came about as a result of a ”marriage” between some groups between Sirius B and Orion. It was in essence a “royal marriage” between groups that formed a “tribe”. This “tribe” was called Nubiru. The word Nubiru, in the ancient Sumerican language, means “between two peoples”. I know Sitchin calls it something else. The offspring were not allowed to go with the extraterrestrial parents when they left the Earth, because they were considered “half-breeds” (18,19)
THE NIBIRUANS KNOCK ON THE DOOR OF THE ANDROMEDAN COUNCIL AND TRUST ISSUES In a lecture from 2001 Alex talks about the Nibiruans and their wish to enter our solar system to gather some ‘mining equipment’ that they left behind. The Andromedans allow them to get their stuff back, but they are not to have any direct contact with Earth. They don’t seem to be too happy with these Nibiruans as you can read, especially in the third paragraph.
Some Human Mining Equipment (22)
Our solar system is extremely crowded now. There are ships from thirty one different planetary races here. Also, Nibiru is on its way back into the solar system. Many of the `mother ships’ are already here and have been here, primarily around Saturn (23).
The Nibiruan race, or rather the tribe of Nibiru which is exactly what it is, asked the Andromedan council for permission to enter the solar system to gather mining equipment that they left here when they vacated this area 5200 years ago (24). The Andromedan council agreed to it. The council agreed to let them back in but not to have direct contact with the Earth.
I will tell you honestly that the Andromedans absolutely do not trust the Nibiruans because of what they did the last time they were here, the genetic manipulation, the pole shift, trying to drown everybody, the division of the races, the creating of different languages, and creating the four of many different religions on the planet that were used to separate us.
They are a classic Orion paradigm, `divide and conquer’. I know that there are people out there that have an opposing view. I don’t know what to tell you. You’ll just have to trust your instincts. I’m just delivering the message. The Andromedans do not trust them at all as well as many of the other races as well.”
CLAIMS OF OWNERSHIP OF EARTH Not only would they have asked to get their mining equipment back, they would also have asked the Andromedan Council to regain ownership over our world. In 1998, Jon Robinson (25), a very close friend of Alex, who passed away in 2021, wrote a letter (28) to the Andromedan Council. This letter can still be found on the website of Alex Collier, so it is safe to presume that Alex backs the contents of the letter.
“It has been brought to our attention that the Nibiru race have come forward to the Andromedan Council to present their claim of ownership of the Earth and all upon it, including some of the surrounding planets that make up the Sol system….The Nibiru’s propose their claim of ownership over us is due to their specific genetics relating to our current physical holographic body types. How could the Nibiru possibly claim ownership over life that they had no responsibility in creating in the first place?….The Nibiru claim that our current physical body represents their race more than any other race that has visited Terra in the past, due to genetics that they introduced within us by their Creational Scientists. (28)
A Council Meeting Table (28)
THE CASE OF THE ENKI-BRANCH OF THE NIBIRUANS If the Anunnaki wanted to regain ownership over our planet and the Andromedans distrusted them that much, why would they have supported the arrival of Enki in our solar system? It turns out that Enki’s branch of the Nibiruans already had a special status. They would have even gotten a ‘seat’ in the Andromedan Council itself! Read along from a lecture from 2002:
“Several months ago we posted an update regarding Nibiru. That specific group of Nibiruans were allowed induction into the Andromedan council. The Andromedan council is held in Andromeda. It is at last count made up from 173 star systems in our galaxy that are part of this.
The Andromedans do not control it or manage it. They only hold the meetings there and serve refreshments. It is held in there system their star system. The system of Zenetae in the Constellation of Andromeda not the galaxy of Andromeda. That is somebody else trying to muddy up those waters.
A specific family of Nibiru has been given induction into the council. That family is part of the lineage of „Enki‟. Some of you have read Zecharia Sitchen. It is the „Enki” lineage. Jehovah or Enlil, they wouldn‟t even give him the time of day.“
A DEMOCRATIC DECISION IN THE ANDROMEDAN COUNCIL TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR THE ENKI-BRANCH In another part we can read about the way this Enki-group was allowed to partake in the Andromedan Council. The voting apparently was not unanimous. Below you can read which groups had the strongest hesitations:
“Apparently, a portion of the Andromedan council felt that they were trustworthy enough to be on the council and were given permission to re-enter the solar system. I know that the Andromedans, the Pleadians, the Procyons, those from Sirus `A’, Signus Alpha, and several others strongly opposed that because of trust factors. Councils are like the U.N., it’s a Democracy. The majority rules. That’s were it is at. Time will tell all of us what is going to happen. I’m not Nostradamus, I don’t know. (21, question 15)
SOME FINAL THOUGHTS There is a lot more to be found in Alex’ work that relates to the Nibiruans/Anunnaki. I think the above is more than enough for this article. What to think of it all? Perhaps Elena Danaan can ask Enki to verify this information provided by the Andromedans? (29) What would be the current state of affairs? Apparently important groups, like the Pleiadeans and the Andromedans, opposed even the Enki-branch within the Andromedan Council. What would be their current position towards the role of Enki in our solar system? It is clear that everybody agreed on the other Nibiruan branches of Enlil: no more. I would presume that the Anunnaki of the Enki-branch are watched very closely, but they still have the benefit of the doubt, backed as they are by the Andromedan Council.
A few articles back I wrote a piece in which I reflected on the Anunnaki Giants that would be in the process of awakening (1). This article goes deeper down that path: are we doing the right thing by trusting anyone from those Anunnaki? In order to explore this topic I have found it useful to make a distinction between the period BEFORE the arrival of Enki and his team in the fall of 2021 and AFTER that moment.
THE GALACTIC FEDERATION OF WORLDS ON THE ANUNNAKI BEFORE ENKI’S ARRIVAL Let’s start off with a video from 2020 (2) in which Thor Han doesn’t talk very favorably about the Anunnaki. This was at the time that Elena herself was still talking about ‘channeling Thor Han’, to describe her communication through her implant (3).
Thor Han speaks about his position on the Anunnaki (2)
In this contact Thor Han said: “The Anunnaki are very strange people. We don’t have contact with them very much, they are not trustworthy people. I would say their ethics has very different levels than our ethics.” (2).
When we read the description of the Anunnaki in Elena’s excellent first disclosure book (4) this sentiment is also repeated often, and remember this book was written more than a year before Enki’s arrival on the scene.
Trust (27)
“They are known to be among the most advanced societies regarding to genetic engineering. They play a lot with the genetics of conquered worlds and especially with children, trying to create servile hybrids helping their purposes anywhere in the galaxy. Anunnaki have been the source and spreading of great genetic biodiversity and racial confusion throughout this galaxy for these reasons. Great enemies of the Lyrans but as as well of the Ciakahrr Empire. Technologically advanced and well equipped in warfare, their name is also feared in this galactic sector….
They….are now [2020] having ties and agreements with the Terran based Reptilians to share the management of humans. These contracts come in the larger scale agreements with the Draconian and Orion Empires regarding the conquered world, slavery, food chain and genetic experimentations. As it is also done on any other conquered world, the Anunnaki left an elite contingent on Terra in order to controle and manipulate, by creating elite human organizations, making the Anunnaki the deep underground hidden part of the military-industrial-terrestrial complex.” (4, pp 230-232)
THE FIRST MEETINGS WITH ENKI In the fall of 2021, right after the malevolent groups had been chased out of our solar system by the Galactic Federation of Worlds and the Earth Alliance and local resistance groups (5), Elena got into contact with Enki for the first time. This meeting with Enki is described in her third disclosure book (6), but in a January 2022 video she had already described it very eloquently. Let’s listen along:
Elena Danaan describes her first meeting with Enki (7)
Here are a few elements from this description (from the transcript of the video, (7)):
A few months later i received the protection of Enki which i am going to tell you about. Enki: “We are back for the humans of earth to witness their final liberation to take part in this great victory. Slaves have broken their chains, they have risen to their sovereignty. I am Enki. I am father. I am back….his words resonated in my head with deep and grave timber. Enki… the annunaki lord who tried to save the Earthlings from slavery appearing at a time when humanity of earth is fighting their final combat to free themselves up from servitude….
Enki: “I will protect you in your mission. I am the father of your kind. I came to see my children setting themselves free. This time has to come when my children rise.” He gave me a word to say when i need to enforce his protection around me and to this day it has proven effective his wings of fire were in proper wings but protuberance of plasma coming out of his body. Every time I pronounced the magic word the shield formed and consumed any attacks aimed at me at the moment.
In a video from June 2022 (8) Elena talked to Dani Henderson about her second meeting with Enki. She then first introduced the idea of the Genetic Tmeplate Grail (9).
Enki (28)
THE GALACTIC FEDERATION OF WORLDS ON THE ANUNNAKI AFTER ELENA’S MEETINGS WITH ENKI After this first meeting with Enki in september 2021 Elena talked to Thor Han (10). He said: “You are privileged to meet with Enki” (6, p.25). You might remember the contact video in which he actually got cargo from the Nibiru ship of the Enki-faction of the Anunnaki (11). It is clear that the Galactic Federation of Worlds works together with the Anunnaki. Also Annax (12) speaks in loving terms about Enki: “Enki tried to free the humans of Terra because he loved them. He gifted many of them with his own blood. Enki has compassion. That’s what makes him different. He will walk with you and with the others from the army of Terra.” (12)
ENKI IS THE EXCEPTION: HE IS THE RIGHT KIND OF ANUNNAKI The way this apparent shift in perspective on the Anunnaki is explained is that Enki is something different. Although he is part of the Anunnaki he is portrayed as the the good Anunnaki, and we have seen all kinds of examples of the benevolent effects of his presence back in our solar system. Not only is there the Genetic Template Grail (9) which would restore our distorted genetics to the original splendor of our genetics consisting of at least 11 intergalactic species (13). We know the trial of Enlil before the councils (14), which resulted in the removal of Ninurta from Earth. Then there is the event surrounding the handover of Saturn to the Earth Alliance (15).
THE VAL NEC PERSPECTIVE ON ALL ANUNNAKI It was in the few months after the arrival of Enki that the break-up between Elena Danaan and Megan Rose occurred. We have spoken about this before (16). Recently I have begun to study Megan’s work since the break-up. I wanted to see for myself what all this alleged misinformation was all about. Especially in the light of certain current developments within the Elena Danaan Community (17-19) I broke the ‘ban’ and started to listen to her videos with Val Nec (20).
In a video from April 7, 2023 Megan Rose addresses the Anunnaki, and it is clear that Val Nec still has the kind of perspective on the Anunnaki that we could read from the Galactic Federation of Worlds before the arrival of Enki. Here’s the excerpt for those who are open to listening to Megan Rose:
Megan Rose about the Anunnaki who are described as evil (21)
Val Nec says that he doesn’t like the Anunnaki at all. He describes them as evil and he says that the Anunnaki see our people as cattle. The Anunnaki are described as enemies of the Federation who have made deals with Reptilians. He also says that the Anunnaki are seen as the master geneticists, at least the best from the malevolent groups. The Orion Group, the Nebu (22), the Reptilians respect them. The Anunnaki are not gods and according to Val Nec the Galactic Federation of Worlds doesn’t work with the Anunnaki at all (21).
ON NIBIRU THE PLANET AND NIBIRU THE SPACESHIP In Megan Rose’s report on the Anunnaki she talks about the planet Nibiru and not about the spaceship Nibiru. We have spoken about a remarkable change in ‘A Gift from the Stars’ (4), related to this. In A Gift from the Stars there is no mention of any spaceship called Nibiru. Elena said that we weren’t ready to open up to this idea that Nibiru wasn’t a planet, but a spaceship and that was the reason that the ‘old’ information was in her first disclosure book. As far as I know it is about the only element in her book that now, no longer is correct.
This could be seen as another argument that Val Nec is closer to the first book than Elena Danaan at the moment. See (23) for more details on this Nibiru planet and spaceship topic.
SOME FINAL COMMENTS I’m not taking any sides on this complicated issue, but it seems that the Galactic Federation of Worlds was quite negative about the Anunnaki in general. They didn’t make any distinction between certain members of the Anunnaki and others. This can be found in the words of Thor Han and in the description of the Anunnaki in ‘A Gift from the Stars‘. The Arrival of Enki changed all this: Enki was embraced as a benevolent Anunnaki, who apparently was trustworthy (29).
It was after the arrival of Enki that the break-up between Elena and Megan occurred. The first public introduction to Enki was given at the beginning of January 2022. A few weeks later Elena Danaan had said that Megan Rose was compromised and that she unfortunately was no longer in contact with Val Nek (25). What would other contactees have said about the Anunnaki? What was Alex Collier’s position on the Anunnaki before and after Enki’s arrival?
What do you think? Let me know in the comments below, or head for the Elena Danaan Study Center (26) or follow my telegram channel.
One of the advantages of sparring with other people about certain elements of the disclosure movement is that you open up to new questions and through that, you open up to new ideas altogether. This then may lead to viewing certain matters from a different perspective too. This article is the result of such a discussion that took place in the Galactic Anthropology Study Group (1) regarding the Anunnaki and the giants in the underground worlds. Please think and feel along!
THE AWAKENING ANUNNAKI GIANTS We may all remember the amazing missions by JP in the subterranean worlds of Florida (2-4). He described how he and his team were welcomed by the beings that were called the Ant People (5) and they guided them to their ‘king’, who was said to be ‘sleepng’. In an interview with Robert Kalil (6), Elena Danaan clarified the meaning of ‘sleeping’ in this regard: it was an ’empty’ body, a soulless avatar, that could be used as a suit again in order to be ‘awoken’ and start living again. It not was not sleeping in the sense of hibernating for a very long time.
Gayle Dieleman and Quetza Sha
This giant was later identified by Thor Han as an Anunnaki scientist called Ningishzida (2). He would be one of four Anunnaki scientists that were left behind to guard certain knowledge for humanity’s sake. He added that Ningishzida originally came from Atlantis. During another mission JP talked about an Iraqi giant near Nippur (7) he called Arunna, who would also have been a scientist from the Enki-team, although he added that this one had switched sides from Enki’s half-brother Enlil to Enki. He would guard the Hall of Records that link Bucegi in Romania to Tibet (7,8).
A KURIA MATTE During JP’s mission to an Atlantic Ark (9) he was accompanied by a group of mexican looking people, who were sometimes described as Mayans or Aztecs. When they recognized certain writings on the walls they started to shout ‘A Kuria Matte’, ‘A Kuria Matte’.
This probably had to do with an ancient prophecy about the return of their ‘god’ (or gods?), who might have been Quatzolcatl (10). This expression was apparently picked up during the Galactic Spiritual Informers meeting in Orlando in October 2022 (11).
Elena described what she noticed when the audience, consisting of about 900 people chanted ‘A Kuria Matte’ (12) in unison while Quetza Sha was performing a ritual.
You can hear her describe how she recognized how Quetza Sha was actually opening a portal and how this might have actually assisted in the speeding up the waking up of this giant, who Quetza Sha described as Quatzacoatl:
Elena describes what she experienced during the ‘A Kuria Matte’ chant in Orlando (13)
SOME REFLECTIONS ON THE AWAKENING ANUNNAKI GIANTS I used be in a kind of state of wonder surrounding these mythical descriptions about mysterious giants from ancient times, who have been waiting for ages, for the right time to wake up. Their being guarded by these loving ant-people in these beautiful underground worlds only added to the magic of it all. I never even questioned anything because of all this amazing mythical splendor.
But I would be a lousy researcher if I didn’t ask some questions about this. So, here are a few questions for you to consider. What would happen if these Anunnaki giants really wake up? What are they going to do? What is their plan? Do we really want Anunnaki giants to wake up after all the suffering this species has caused on our planet? What is in it for us?
Image taken from (14)
The Anunnaki aren’t even members of the Galactic Federation of Worlds or any other benevolent council in our galaxy. Are they the right ones to trust? But perhaps we should indeed make an exception for Enki and his men? Where are the female Anunnaki by the way? I don’t remember hearing anything of them in the current timeframe (24).
When Quatza Sha performed his ritual which Elena described as if he opened a portal that seemed to speed up the awakening process of this Anunnaki giant, were the chanting participants of that conference really fully aware of what they were supporting, or did they just join in, because they simply believed that it was a good thing to do? I believe in the good intentions of Quatza Sha, but I’m afraid that if someone with bad intentions had performed the same ritual, the crowd would have chanted along just as enthusiastically as they had done with Quatza Sha.
ELENA’S VISIT TO MESOPOTAMIA On June 19, 2023 Elena Danaan posted the fourth part of her travels through the ancient world of Mesopotamia (15). During an impressive video she showed us a small Yezidi sanctuary which was dedicated to what they call the ‘7 Angels’. The Yezidi people who would still speak the old Sumerian language talk about Melek Taus, who would be same person as Enki/Ea. Let’s listen to Elena herself to get a first-rate description:
Elena Danaan speaks about Melek Taus and the Seven gods (angels) (15)
She said that the Yezidi there honor Melek Taus (Enki) and the Snake Queen (Ninhursag) who created the first man and first woman out of clay. Elena says that Enki, represented as a Peacock (16) had with him 7 other gods, whom he left here. She says that they might be the scientists that were left behind by Enki, who helped him create the first man and first woman. She wonders whether they are also the 7 ‘sleeping giants’. She ends this excerpt with a beautiful scene in which butterflies land upon her body.
SOME REFLECTIONS ON THE ROLE OF THE ANUNNAKI BY ALEX COLLIER FROM WEBINAR 185 During the last couple of weeks the Alex Collier Study Group (18) has grown substantially and after Alex expressed his willingness to participate in the group and perhaps do a ‘Q&A’ I collected a number of questions which you can find in one of the topics in the group (25). During webinar 185 from June 16, 2023 (19) one of those questions was asked by Katie and Alex gave an interesting answer that might also shed another light on the Anunnaki matter. I am going to quote SkyDream here:
“She asked about Enki (Ea) and is the Andromedan Council (20) involved with the Ea faction in repairing our original DNA strands and is there a relationship between the ‘A’s’ and the Annunaki. AC replied……( I hope I get this right), Alex said he is not aware of a direct relationship at the moment.
Continuing, he said he believes that the greatest thing that could happen for humanity, is for the Annunaki not to intervene at this moment in time. In the past mistakes were made, and it was other star nations that stepped in to do the work of rectifying them.
(Earth Repair, see (23))
As far as he understands, the genetic code has been surrendered to other star nations in order to do the work of repairing what needs to be done and we will have to see how that goes. He also, feels, as a Terran, that the best thing would be, if a star nation totally unrelated to any Terrans on earth, came in to assess the situation regarding our past, as there is a lot of history with not only the Annunaki, but other star nations as well with regard to DNA, history etc.
He feels a race that has no direct relationship to us would be unbiased in any way in determining our true history, and that we need to know the full truth. He says that although he completely trusts the A’s, that because they have a genetic lineage with us, he still believes that someone who is completely unrelated to us and therefore, objective, should come forward to determine our true history and give an unbiased account. In that way, there would be no way that different accounts could be ‘sugar coated’ or ‘colored’ (21) by those who have had interaction with us in the past. Those were his thoughts.” (22)
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Screenshot Elena Danaan post on Telegram, March 11, 2024 (26)
EA ON HIS SCIENTISTS RELINKING WITH EARTH AVATARS On March 11, 2024 Elena Danaan posted a comment by her friend Ea in which he said the following: “The team has gathered as much as we could find one another, after all this time. Many of my scientists are re-linking with their dormant avatars, on Ki [=Earth], waiting for when the time is right to transfer their consciousness.“
Do you know the names of your ancestors who lived 150 years ago? I guess most of us don’t. Let alone of those who lived a thousand years ago, or even further in the past during the ages of Atlantis or Lemuria, or during all those times when all kinds of extraterrestrial species from our Milky Nataru Way genetically interacted with us the last hundreds of thousands of years ago. This article goes even further into our past: dozens of millions of years ago when according to both the Andromedans of Alex Collier and Enki’s account of our history a great experiment was carried out by a group of seeding races, called the Pa-Taal. This article reflects upon and compares their accounts (16).
The Ring-tailed Lemurs (14)
THE PA-TAAL In the article that focuses on the close proximity between the Ciakahrr in the Draco Constellation and that of Humanity in Lyra (1) I already made the distinction between two different kinds of seedings of humanity. We have the seeding of humanity in the Lyra System (Kepler 62, (2)) and we have this experiment on our planet which kicked off some 65 million years ago, when the Seeders (the Pa-Taal) would have intervened on our planet by halting the boundless growth of reptilian species (3). The same group would have been responsible for both ‘creations’.
THE ORIGINAL PRIMATE FOUNDATION Both Elena Danaan and Alex Collier talk about a primate being that would have been used by the Pa-Taal on Earth as a kind of genetic foundation on which humanity was ultimately ‘built’ (4). What do we know of this primate? And how do the accounts of Alex and Elena compare? Before we get into this, I would like to repeat something that was said by someone in the Galactic Anthropology Study Group (5) when we talked about issues relating to the comparisons between Alex Collier’s Andromedans and Elena’s sources.
He said that it only adds to the veracity of the accounts when they are not completely the same, since they are recorded and told by different species, who are likely to have a (slightly) different take on particular events in the past. It is up to us to put the right pieces of the puzzle together, and cast the rest away. This is of course no easy task in our current limited state of awareness, so we will probably need to be patient for quite a while before we can conclude anything with certainty.
But that doesn’t mean that we can’t do anything, for we can compare sources that we find relatively trustworthy, and I like to think that Alex Collier’s Andromedans and Elena Danaan’s sources are in this category, although we always need to be critical about everything, for it seems we have been fooled a lot in our history by all kinds of extraterrestrial groups.
ALEX AND THE DRACO CONNECTION I’m no specialist in the material by Alex Collier (6), so I base myself on his lectures (7) and his book ‘Defending Sacred Ground’ (8). In that last book he writes the following about this primate creature:
“Apparently, the Alpha Draconians (9) created the primate race, which was first brought to Mars and then to Earth. The primate race was then tinkered with by many other different races – 21 other races – resulting in the primate race having been modified 22 times.This primate race eventually became Homo Sapien Sapiens. – who we are on a physical level. Yes, we used to have 12 strands of DNA. Ten strands were taken out by a group from Orion (10) in order to control us and hold us back.” (8)
Within this perspective we would have been built on a Reptilian genetic foundation, with 21 other races adding their genetics to it over time, eventually resulting in us, as we are right now. Alex said to Dr. Salla in a recent interview that the Anunnaki would have been the last to ‘tinker’ with our genetics (11).
ELENA DANAAN AND THE LEMUR CONNECTION In Elena Danaan’s excellent book ‘The Seeders’ (12) we don’t hear anything about a draconian/Ciakahrr link. On pages 524 and 525 Elena describes how she was shown with the assistance of a technique by Oona (13), a world beyond our own galaxy. On that particular planet she got to meet a certain primate that resembled our Lemurs the most. She was told that it was this creature that formed the genetic foundation to which the Pa-Taal (or the Seeders) added their genomes.
THE TIMING OF THE FIRST INTERACTION WITH THE PRIMATE As far as the timing is concerned, it seems that Enki’s account and the Andromedan account are not completely the same. In the Seeders (12) we can read: “From 65 million BC onward, on Earth, the Seeders began modifying original molecules present in the DNA of some indigenous primates, who would otherwise have never reached the level of development to become the human beings of today….The Pa-Taal modified specific links between carbon atoms in the DNA’s macro-molecules of these indigenous Earth Primates, boosting their genome by progressively injecting into them a range of different extraterrestrial DNA molecules. Eleven genetic input would be progressively added through time, in total through an extended period of time, which is the reason why the Seeders would regularly return to Earth.“
In March 1997, Alex Collier held a lecture in which he also talked about the genetic alterations on the primate race. He wrote the following on the timing:
“According to Morenae and Vissaeus, the first genetic melding between a human species and the primate race occurred 28,731,007 B.C. That’s how far back they began experimenting, and there were many prototypes.” (7, p.111)
What does this mean? If we try to combine these two accounts it would imply that the first human DNA was only added more than 28 million years ago, and the Pa-Taal did some other genetic changes to the primate that didn’t involve any human DNA in the period between 65 million and 28 million years ago.
In Enki’s account we can read: “…boosting their genome by progressively injecting into them a range of different extraterrestrial DNA molecules. Eleven genetic input would be progressively added through time“. If we would want to combine the two accounts that would mean that these genetic inputs were only added 37 million years after the dinosaur clean-up. How likely is that?
COMPARING THE TWO ACCOUNTS Like I said before, we can’t be sure about much, so we have to be careful in comparing these accounts. Could that lovely furry Lemur have been created by the Ciakahrr, and moved to Earth, via Mars? Or was this primate a completely different creature? Or did the Pa-Taal take that Lemur from that beautiful outer-Nataru-planet that resembled Earth? Why did the Andromedans share this information with Alex, and why did Enki share his information with Elena? And what about that timing element? Did the Pa-Taal really wait 37 million years before they started to add the first human genome to the primate? Well, let me know your thoughts by either visiting the Study Center (5) or by commenting below. All I can say is that I would prefer Elena’s account 🙂
A Standing Ring-tailed Lemur (15)
FOOTNOTES (1) The Seeding of Humanity Right Next Door to the Draco’s (2) Getting Acquainted with the Ahil (3) Elena talks about this aspect in a video-excerpt at the bottom of Discovery of an Ancient Crystal Artefact Containing Info that is 65 million years Old (4) Our Galactic and Intergalactic Genomes (5) The Galactic Anthropology Study Group (6) Elena Danaan and Alex Collier have a different way of spreading their information. Elena Danaan has written three amazing disclosure books and she has produced a lot of free youtube videos that present her disclosure information. This makes it quite easy to access her current information. This is different in the case of Alex Collier. His webinars are often secured behind a pay-wall which makes it complicated to study the contents, if only because it is hard to link to source-material when it is behind a pay-wall. Alex also didn’t write books that can be compared with Elena’s books. Let me be clear on this: I don’t have any judgment on the use of webinars by Alex Collier, because I think he really needs the income to survive. The consequence however is, that the updates, are not freely available for study purposes.
Elena Danaan used to share all of her intel for free, but since she introduced her webinars a division was created between people who paid for the webinars and those who didn’t. The last category could never know what exactly was shared within the walls of the webinars. The people who did take part in the webinars were not sure what to share with the public either, for it might be considered as ‘secret information’ that not everybody should know. My opinion is that this division is not constructive for an open disclosure movement, where everybody has access to the same information. See for more on this complicated and sensitive topic End Note 208 and Go to the Webinars for All the Details (7) Alex Collier-Interview-Presentations transcripts 1994-2011 (8) Defending Sacred Ground (9) The Ciakahrr (10) This ‘Group from Orion’ are very likely the Anunnaki. (11) See End Note 169 for a relevant excerpt from this interview (12) Danaan, E. (2022) The Seeders (13) The Intergalactic Confederation (14) Facts and information about Ring-tailed Lemur ( Lemur catta ) (15) Ring Tailed Lemur – Pinterest (16) Elena Danaan places this event at some 65 million years ago. I haven’t found any reference of time in Alex Collier’s account. If anyone can fill me in on this, please let me know.
When we talk about the seeding of Humanity it is useful to distinguish between the seeding of humanity on our lovely planet Earth, or Terra as the Brazilians call our world, and the placing of humanity in our Galaxy, Nataru (1). This article reflects on the latter seeding, that in the Lyra system, a long time ago.
THE SEEDING OF THE CIAKAHRR, THE DRACO’S IN OUR GALAXY Before we get to the seeding of humanity, let’s first take a look at the species that are sometimes called the Draco Reptilians or the Ciakahrr (2). What do we know about their origin? Alex Collier has got some interesting things to say about them. Let’s read a part from his book ‘Defending Sacred Ground’ (3):
“There are two schools of thought in our galaxy. There are the Regressives, who are races that carry fear and because of that want to control others. The hierarchy of the regressives starts with a group from Alpha Draconis. The Andromedans have no idea where the Alpha Draconians came from, but what they have learned through interaction with other dimensional races is that somebody brought the Draconians to this universe and “dumped” them in the Alpha Draconis system, where they had the highest probability of survival.
According to the Andromedans, the Alpha Draconians have had space travel for 4 billion years. They are an incredible race and have achieved great things, but they are bullies. They are jerks, and that’s a judgment – I’m taking that judgment myself. That’s my judgment based on what I know about them. The Draconians do not like human beings. The Andromedans say that Draconians believe that this universe was here for them – that their history teaches them that they were left here to rule it. But, when they started traveling, they ran across other races. They were able to conquer many of those races through genetic manipulation.” (3)
In april 2025, a video was posted by Alex Collier in which he further expands on this topic. You can find the video in the Reflections section in an article that deals with the question if the Ciakahrr would get removed from a universe again (
THE SEEDING OF HUMANITY IN LYRA So, there we have these regressive Draconians or Ciakahrr in the Alpha Draconis system (4), and guess what? Humanity would have been seeded in the Lyra system, which is awfully close to the Draco’s habitat. Below you can see a part of the star map from ‘A Gift from the Stars’ (5)
Lyra and the Draco System appear to be neighbors (map from (5, p. 332)
It was Debbie Solaris who made me realize that indeed the Lyra system is a neighbor of the Draco system, at least from our perspective, but I guess they are pretty close to each other from every perspective within our galaxy. Before we get to the story about the Pa-Taal and the seeding of humanity from the perspective of Elena’s sources, let’s hear Debbie talk about this proximity and her thoughts about the reasons for seeding humanity that close to the Ciakahrr Empire.
Debbie Solaris talks to Lily Nova about the Draco and the Lyra System just before the Lyran Wars (6,7)
THE PA-TAAL The idea that humanity is seeded in the Lyra system also returns in the work by Elena Danaan. We have already spoken about the planets surrounding the Lyran star Man, which we call Kepler 62, from which the original Ahil came (8). In her third book ‘The Seeders‘ (9), we can read a passage about the Pa-Taal being the ones who seeded the first humans in the Lyra system. While Elena describes a vision of some 1,000 years in the future, she writes this:
“When you go to another world to settle as a colony, you must adapt to the radiations of the new star, the different gravity and pressure, so you will not evolve physically in the same way as you would on Earth. This is exactly what happened when the first human races seeded in the Lyra zone by the Pa-Taal ventured through this galaxy to find new worlds.” (9, p.547)
The Pa-Taal are also mentioned by Alex Collier in connection with the seeding of mankind. He says that Pa-Taal was originally a Draco word:
“Again, according to the Andromedans, we humans are part of a group of energies that they know of as the Paa Tal. The reason that the Andromedans use the word Paa Tal, which is by the way a Draconian word, is because the Draconians have legends about warring with a race that was creating human life forms that were opposed to Draconian philosophy. The Paa Tal created life forms that could evolve on their own, with free expression.” (3)
Meeting with Members from the Intergalactic Confederation. Drawing by Elena Danaan, Snapshot from a video (14). The original Pa-Taal can be seen in the back, those larger ones. See (15) to get a better idea about this relationship between the Intergalactic Confederation, the Seeders and the Pa-Taal
THOR HAN ON THE PA-TAAL In the Seeders (9) you can find a drawing of all the species that are called the Seeders. One of those species is called the Pa-Taal, but their name is also used to describe the complete group of twenty-four seeder races. Thor Han puts it like this:
“We prefer to call them the ‘Do’ or the ‘Guardians’. It concerns the group of twenty-four advanced cultures ahead of the Intergalactic Confederation, those who are responsible for the seeding and propagation of life throughout the Universe. They are also known by the name of those who founded their group of twenty-four: the Pa-Taal” (Seeders, p.70)
SOME FINAL THOUGHTS The Pa-Taal are said to be the ones responsible for the seeding of human life in the Lyra system, both by Elena Danaan’s and Alex Colliers extraterrestrial sources. They, however, are also responsible for the kick-off of human life on our planet Earth, by adding the genomes of 11 of their species to a primate, according to the same sources (10, 11).
This experiment on Earth started some 65 million years ago when the Pa-Taal would have removed the Dinosaurs from Earth to make way for a more varied palet of species (12). When would they have seeded humanity in Lyra? Before or after the started their experiment on our planet? Why did they decide to put humanity right next door to such ‘evil/dark’ species like the Ciakahrr?
Ashayana Deane also offers a theory from the CDT-Plates, which also points towards Lyra as the birthing ground for ALL races, and she talks about 950 billion years ago, but she doesn’t talk about the birth on the physical plane, but on a plane that is far higher in density (13)
“Apparently, the Alpha Draconians created the primate race, which was first brought to Mars and then to Earth. The primate race was then tinkered with by many other different races – 21 other races – resulting in the primate race having been modified 22 times.This primate race eventually became Homo Sapien Sapiens. – who we are on a physical level. Yes, we used to have 12 strands of DNA. Ten strands were taken out by a group from Orion in order to control us and hold us back.” (3)
Stewart Swerdlow has written quite an interesting account of the history of mankind in our solar system. I will go into his work and compare it with the information that was gathered on this website, mainly based on the material by Elena Danaan. Since I try not to cram articles with too much new information, I’ll present the information in chunks in several articles to come. This first article in this ‘Swerdlow’-series is about the idea of planets that would have changed orbit in the past. Not only Stewart Swerdlow mentioned this idea, but the Andromedans from Alex Collier did so as well. I cannot remember anything about changing orbits from the material by Elena Danaan.
David Icke and Stewart Swerdlow (1)
STEWART SWERDLOW I was first introduced to Stewart Swerdlow by Dr. Michael Salla when he did an interview with him in april 2022 (2). I bought one of his books and I mentioned him in a few articles (3-6). Dr. Swerdlow has a youtube channel (7). He was part of the Montauk project from the age of 13. If you want to get to know more about him I advise watching the interview with Dr. Salla (2).
BLUE BLOOD, TRUE BLOOD In 2002 Stewart Swerdlow wrote a book called ‘Blue Blood, True Blood: Conflict and Creation – A Personal Story‘ (8). You can find relevant chapters of this book for free on a few websites (9,10).
In chapter four he writes about Reptilians who would have used one of their asteroids and shot it into our solar system. This would have happened when the Galactic Federation of Worlds was already in existence (11). According to Swerdlow nor the people from Maldek (12), nor from Mars were members, giving these Reptilians (probably the Ciakahrr) more freedom to interfere.
Although the timeline fits (11) it is not in line with Enki’s account of our history. In that account the Galactic Federation of Worlds and even the Intergalactic Confederation would have been part of the conflict on Maldek against the Nebu and Ciakahrr (12).
MARS AND EARTH CHANGING THEIR ORBIT Let us continue with Swerdlow’s account anyway
“In this way, the reptilians hurled a huge ice comet aimed at Mars and Maldek. However, they miscalculated the trajectory. The gravitational field of the gigantic gas planet, Jupiter, pulled the comet off-course, and the ice comet then headed directly for Maldek. The citizens of that planet asked the Martians for help. Even though they were at odds with each other, the Martians allowed some of the Maldekians to move to the Martian underground (13). The comet came so close to Maldek that the planet got caught up in the gravitational fields of Jupiter, Mars, and the comet. This caused Maldek to explode, leaving an asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.
The explosion pushed the ice comet close enough to Mars to rip the atmosphere off that planet, leaving only an extremely thin atmosphere. The explosion also propelled Mars farther away from the sun.
The comet then continued on toward Earth. The heat of the sun and the gravitational fields of the two bodies forced the watery atmosphere of the Earth to polarize. This polarization pulled most of the ice from the comet to the polar regions of the Earth, which covered over most openings to Inner Earth, and at the same time exposed huge land masses for the first time.
The comet then switched places with Earth, taking up the second orbit from the sun and becoming the planet now known as Venus. . . . Earth was pushed out to the third orbit, occupying the position previously held by Mars. Earth was now ready to be colonized.” (9)
According to this story Mars would have been in the orbit that the Earth is currently in. Earth would have changed from the position where Venus is in right now to its current position and Venus would be some kind of comet sent by the Reptilians that would have taken the position where Earth used to be in. All this would have happened after the formation of the Galactic Federation of Worlds.
ALEX COLLIER AND THE CHANGING ORBIT OF MARS I might not have created this page because I would have thought it all to be a bit too outlandish, even for me, if it weren’t for information from Alex Collier, which he received from the Andromedans (14). They talk about planets that would have changed orbits as well.
“What happened to Mars? Apparently 69.3 million years ago a very large planetary asteroid came through our solar system, and was also pulling with it a lot of debris. This asteroid, from what Vasais told me, was so magnetically powerful, that as it came through Mars and Saturn; what it did because of Mars size, it ripped Mars from its original orbit and pulled it out 19 million miles further within 24 hours.
As the asteroid was coming through, Mars was apparently moving this way, and it just pulled it out of its orbit 19 million miles. Which of course devastated anything that was on it. It’s atmosphere, the lifeforms etc. This cosmic war devastated Mars and the lifeforms that were in existence on it. It also caused Mars to pole shift three times in as many days”. (15, p. 23)
Mars and Earth (18)
It is interesting to note that Alex also talks about the destructive effect of some celestial body on Mars. He doesn’t even name Maldek here. What is also noteworthy is the timing, namely around the time of the destruction of the dinosaurs, and the time that the Seeders would have started their experiment on our planet, some 70 million years ago.
EARTH CHANGING ITS ORBIT SLIGHTLY Earth would have also changed its orbit according to the information from Moraney (16), but not as extreme as in Swerdlow’s account. I would have only moved a bit further from the sun, which would have coincided with the great floods (17), resulting in a year that went from 360 days to our current 365,25 days.
MERCURY AND VENUS WERE MOONS As if all of this isn’t enough, the Andromedans told Alex that “the planets Mercury and Venus were originally “moons” from other planets. Venus was originally a moon of Saturn.” (15, p.199)
SOME CONCLUDING THOUGHTS Although it is tempting to just pay attention to what Elena Danaan says and not consider any other sources in order to prevent any conflicting information to emerge, I think it is useful to compare the information with other sources and see how they all fit in. They might just contribute to the overall-picture. Last summer I said that I would start studying the material by Alex Collier more closely (19) and that it might lead to inconsistencies between what Elena Danaan says and what Alex Collier says.
Although they really are a great team, together with Dr. Michael Salla, it shouldn’t mean that we cannot compare their work and note the differences, like the difference on what happened 439 thousand years ago (20). I think there is still a slight taboo in the community to open up to this aspect of the disclosure movement.
“Now, what was the flood of Noah? We are told that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. According to Moraney, the flood of Noah was as a result of the movement of Earth from one orbit to another around the Sun. The Earth was apparently hit with a tractor beam and literally moved to an orbit further out from the Sun. This added five days to our rotational period around the Sun. The period of this 40 day rain was during the period when the magnetic poles of the Earth rotated 180 degrees.“
Galactic Anthropology 